The day my heart broke

I’m Australian, resilient and tough!  That’s who I am.  If life has taught me anything, it is to take things on the chin and get on with life.   Not much fazes me, until now.

Since I can remember, I have always been involved with the protection of wildlife and the habitat that supports it.  I’ve seen some terrible things and I’ve fought some horrible fights.  Everything from working with the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society to ‘after dark’ animal rescues has been part of my world.

More recently however, I have been volunteering with the Little Fireface Project in West Java, Indonesia.  As part of my field station role here I am responsible for gathering data on the atrocious wildlife markets.  In the larger cities which include Jakarta and Bandung, every animal you can imagine is for sale; otters, porcupines and the ‘protected by law’ critically endangered slow lorises are just three species I see on a regular basis.  Two porcupines ‘protected by law’ have been in separate cages for more than four months. It seems that porcupines are not cute enough to keep as pets, so rather than return them to the place where they were stolen from, they suffer day in day out in a cage that is barely big enough to allow them to turn around in and of course, without any form of enrichment.  This is by no means the worst thing to witness, so I carry on, collect the information and inform the ‘authorities’ when I identify protected species for sale.   I sometimes feel that my efforts are in vain, as the wildlife continues to be offered for sale in hot, dusty, sometimes humid and extremely unsanitary, cramped conditions.  I often wonder ‘why do I bother?’, but I’m resilient remember, and I must continue on.  The situation for so many lives is so very sad, but my heartbreak was still to come.

IMG_9046After leaving the markets I drove along a busy road between two cities, Bandung and Garut.  It was a Saturday in October and the traffic was loud and backed up for miles; taking around one hour to drive 7km.  Three lanes in each direction; car and motorbike horns constantly tooting on top of loud music blaring from the surrounding vehicles – The worst 7km I have even driven!   I could hear out-of time-drumming, very loud drumming combined with cymbals clanging.  On the median strip between the two directions of traffic, were elderly people sitting on pieces of dirty cardboard begging for money.  A blind women cradling a baby in her arms begged incessantly for more money hoping to appeal to the compassion of a sympathetic passer-by.  In amongst the frenzied mayhem, I witnessed something that would etch into my memory and stay with me.  The drumming and cymbal clanging that I could hear was the ‘topeng monyet’ or dancing monkeys.   This incredibly cruel and disturbing form of local entertainment was something that I had heard about, but had never witnessed with my own eyes.  Each monkey that is forced to perform is, over many months, brutally tortured into submission and forced to stand up on its hind legs to dance, all while dressed in humiliating clothing accompanied by a mask or dolls head while the cruel owner bangs a small drum and cymbal.  I believe this was not the intended life for any species on earth.  The primates that are used in this ritual are macaques and are often stolen from the wild.  Until a recent trip to Borneo, I had never even seen them before.

IMG_9042I watched juvenile macaques shackled by a chain wrapped around their neck, being forced to dance around in between the stationary vehicles begging for money.  From my car a very small macaque was chastised for ‘misbehaving’.  This ‘misbehaving’ of course, was something as innocent as taking his mask off which, considering constantly dancing during the heat of the day that it could be expected.  As a result of the macaque’s disobedience, a hard tug on the chain triggered a high-pitched scream from the little macaque that could be easily heard over the unbearable traffic noise.

The traffic jams (marcet) that are incredibly common throughout Indonesia are loud and extremely chaotic at best, but all of this coupled with the unnatural duty of being forced to perform and the relentless brutality dealt out by the macaque’s uncaring owners could only be interpreted as hell on earth for this peaceful creature.

IMG_9053Here are some photos we took from the car as we went past. (Thanks for your help Katy and Rebecca).  We saw six monkeys performing on the median strip that day and it eventually it took a toll on me, as I could only sit and cry – helpless to the fact I could do nothing to end their suffering at the hands of my very own species.  I must confess, with all of the injustices I have IMG_9051witnessed, handed out to animals by uncaring and cruel human beings, it has been a long time since I have felt this way.  This was the day my heart truly broke and I’m not sure it will ever be the same again.  Even writing this I choke up.  How could this ever be fair for them?

Another sad part of this story, that really does sum up the people who support this cruel industry, is that the ‘monkey torturers’ were being thrown money from almost every single car in that traffic jam.  So I ask, what about the blind woman with the baby?  Well, I can tell you, for the entire time we were in that specific traffic jam, the woman cradling the child never received one coin – I guess she wasn’t entertaining enough.

It is illegal to showcase ‘topeng monyet’ in the city of Jakarta, but elsewhere in Java it seems to be an accepted practice.   Although there are organisations fighting very hard to stop this atrocious practice, the profiteers just pack up and move on to the next place.

Sharon Williams – LFP Field Station Coordinator/Environmental Education Officer

If you travel to Indonesia or any other part of the world, I just ask that you never support this cruel and torturous exploitation.  

Read a short article about the treatment of dancing monkeys here. observers.france24.com

Photographs courtesy  Wild Volunteer

The Mark of the Guardians

When a student applies for a conservation grant for their research projects, one of the questions always asked is: How will this project ensure conservation action continues after said project is finished? Or something to that effect. As a lowly student, it is very difficult to imagine yourself in a position to forever change the area where you plan on working, but it is what we all want. We all want to leave our mark.

lfp1I am very happy to say that through team effort, the Little Fireface Project has left its mark (on top of the conservation action and contributions to science and animal husbandry). Last week we have begun building a Muslim school in the village which is free of tuition. Any family will be able to send their children there, regardless of their financial status. When school isn’t in session, LFP’s Nature Club will be able to use the room to teach the village children all about nature. Our field station coordinator Sharon has been doing amazing things with the Club and now, ideas seem to have no limit! What I find truly amazing, is that the entire village is chipping in and building the school by hand. This is very humbling and something you’d never see in a western city … then again you wouldn’t see wild lorises there either!

lfp2Part of our research looks into the feeding ecology of the Javan slow loris in a very disturbed habitat. Plant diversity is very low yet they seem to thrive here. After we have finished identifying what plant species are used for what purposes, and their abundance, we will be able to specifically choose what plant species are the MOST important to the lorises. We will then buy/collect seeds and grow saplings with the help of the Nature Club children. They will see the entire life cycle of the plant from seeds to mature plant (I loved doing that in grade school biology class, hopefully they will too!). Children will then donate these saplings to farmers to plant between their plots to increase useable habitat for the lorises.

UNCOLLARED_0899This would never have been possible without the help of the Disney Worldwide Conservation Fund and Colombus Zoo. Thanks to them and a solid LFP team effort (and a whole village of lovely people with hidden talents), we are able to leave our mark in loris land. Forever teaching children about nature and cultivating a sense of pride. After all, they are the guardians of some very unique and charismatic wildlife.

Francis Cabana

YouTube – does it conserve or kill the slow loris?

riceBy Asier Gil Vasquez

Our perceptions of the world will define our opinions, beliefs and actions. Traditional mass media and new forms of media, like online social media, are one of the strongest external agents in the process of building perceptions. The portrayal of animals and wildlife has provoked different perceptions and consequences. Media tends to modify the image of the animal de-contextualizing it in order to make it a cultural commodity. Altered perceptions of wild animals have generated conservation conflicts such as pet crazes. Primates and many other mammals are generally represented on YouTube, the Internet video-sharing site, as companion animals, increasing the interest of users on purchasing one. This sort of portrayal in the media can aggravate and increase illegal wildlife traffic. Using the case of the slow loris (Nycticebus spp.) we can trace the process of promotion via social media, the de-contextualization of the wild animal and the promotion of negative attitudes such as the pet trade. These nocturnal prosimians became globally known when a first YouTube video of a pet individual became viral, earning millions of visits. Ever since, videos of pet slow lorises have generated a solid imagery of these animals on the internet, based on a portrayal that highlights the pet and cute status. Comments made by users show the attitudes towards the content of these videos, with a high percentage of the audience remarking the “adorableness” or stating that they want to purchase one. These perceptions, globally spread, can have an effect on the conservation of wild populations, generally endangered due to the illegal trade. Equally, these videos have generated debates on the comments section about the domestication, conservation and biology of the slow loris, some of them mentioning conservation campaigns and organizations such as Little Fireface Project. Conservation organizations can use the same tools that made these animals popular in order to turn the tables and propagate new and more accurate portrayals of the animal, as well as conservation messages.

A local experience – Jakarta student visits ‘Loris Land’

By Noor Hanny Amalia

It’s been 5 weeks since I first came to loris land. My name is Noor Hanny Amalia, a student of Biology Departement from the State University of Jakarta, and I joined the Little Fireface Project (LFP) through a Student Apprentice Project program. With interest in education, I hoped to work and and learn a lot about the education and awareness which LFP does, in addition to their outstanding scientific research.

Everything starts from zero, only armed with curiosity and courage which I collected bit by bit, I came in Cipaganti village, LFP research station, for the first time on 24th June 2014. I was greeted by the incredible views: 4 mountain flanking the station, an air that is always soothing, and friendly people.

Staying under one roof with colleagues from various countries: Canada, UK, Netherlands, Australia, and America, a new experience that gave me a lot of valuable lessons from different culture of each country to mutual tolerance lessons therein.

I was introduced to an endangered creature named Slow Loris (Nycticebus spp.). Always amazed when I could see it directly in nature, in plain sight, in the dark of the night but still radiating red light from their eyes. Together with the trackers, which guides us and explain the vegetation as well as foreign researchers along with other colleagues who are very open to discussion, the nightly trips were very enjoyable.

In addition to the experience of scientific research, experience in education and awareness I also learned many things. When first introduced to the Nature Club program, I instantly fell in love. This activitiy are held every Friday at the house of LFP’s manager, the children at the primary level have been introduced with a love for nature through a variety of educational fun-based activities. Taught to be able to appreciate each of God’s creatures, that we have the same right to live in the wild, so we should not hurt each other.

I also worked with LFP’s Forest Protector program for elementary school students. I periodically visited schools around surrounding villages. This activity also involves the role of schools and teachers to form a class of a new way of thinking for the elementary school students, especially in grade 4, to get to know these endangered animals and their role in nature. So hopefully, can help LFP in an effort to maintain and conserve the existence of these rare animals in the wild.

Each day runs with a new story here, I did not see my last day flash by before returning to Jakarta and to my routine. Many memories have been created here, along with the trackers and also foreign colleagues at the LFP. Thank you very much for the many experiences here.

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Sudah 5 minggu berlalu sejak saya menjejakkan kaki pertama kali disini. Perkenalkan, saya Noor Hanny Amalia, mahasiswa jurusan Biologi dari Universitas Negeri Jakarta, dan saya bergabung dengan Little Fireface Project (LFP) dengan program Student Apprentice Project. Dengan ketertarikan dibidang kependidikan, saya berharap dapat bekerja dan banyak belajar di bidang edukasi dan awareness yang diselenggarakan oleh LFP selain riset ilmiah yang luar biasa.

Segalanya berawal dari nol, hanya berbekal rasa ingin tahu dan keberanian yang terkumpul sedikit demi sedikit, saya menjejakkan kaki pertama kali di desa Cipaganti, stasiun penelitian LFP, pada tanggal 24 Juni 2014. Disambut oleh pemandangan yang luar biasa, diapit 4 gunung di setiap sisinya, dengan udara yang senantiasa menyejukkan, dan keramahan penduduknya membuat saya yakin bahwa perjalanan saya 1 bulan kedepan akan jauh lebih menyenangkan.

Tinggal 1 atap bersama rekan-rekan dari berbagai negara, Canada, Inggris, Belanda, Australia, dan Amerika, menjadi pengalaman baru yang memberikan saya banyak pelajaran berharga mulai dari memahami kebisaan tiap individu dari tiap negara berbeda sampai dengan pelajaran saling toleransi didalamnya.

Diperkenalkan kesekian kalinya oleh satu makhluk yang terancam punah bernama Kukang (Nycticebus sp.), namun entah mengapa tidak pernah ada kata bosan di dalamnya. Selalu terkagum saat dapat melihatnya langsung di alam, di depan mata, di tengah kegelapan malam namun tetap terpancar cahaya kemerahan dari mata hewan ini. Bersama dengan tracker yang selalu mendampingi untuk menjelaskan beberapa hal yang kurang dimengerti tentang lokasi dan vegetasi lokal serta bersama dengan rekan peneliti asing lainnya yang sangat terbuka untuk berdiskusi, perjalanan tiap malamnya terasa sangat menyenangkan.

Selain pengalaman riset ilmiah langsung di alam, pengalaman dalam bidang edukasi dan awareness pun mengajarkan saya banyak hal. Saat pertama kali dikenalkan dengan program Nature Club, saya langsung jatuh cinta. Kegiatan rutin yang diadakan setiap hari Jumat siang bertempat dirumah manajer LFP ini, anak-anak setingkat SD telah diperkenalkan dengan rasa sayang terhadap alam melalui berbagai kegiatan berbasis fun-edukatif. Mengajarkan untuk dapat menghargai tiap makhluk ciptaan Tuhan, bahwa kita memiliki hak hidup yang sama di alam, sehingga tidak seharusnya saling menyakiti.

Lain Nature Club, lain pula Forest Protector, program ini ditujukkan kepada siswa-siswi SD yang dilakukan secara periodik di sekolah-sekolah sekitar desa Cipaganti dan desa-desa sekitarnya. Selain peran LFP, kegiatan ini juga melibatkan peran sekolah beserta guru kelas didalamnya untuk membentuk pemikiran baru di siswa-siswi SD tersebut, khususnya kelas 4, untuk mengenal hewan yang terancam punah ini beserta peranannya di alam. Sehingga diharapkan, dapat membantu LFP dalam usaha menjaga dan mengkonservasi keberadaan hewan langka ini di alam.

Tiap harinya berjalan dengan cerita baru disini, sampai tak terasa telah memasuki hari-hari akhir sebelum kembali ke Jakarta dan menjalani rutinitas seperti biasa. Banyak kenangan yang akan dititipkan disini, bersama tracker maupun rekan asing di LFP. Terimakasih banyak atas pengalaman dan pelajaran yang diberikan, semoga dapat bergabung lagi di kesempatan berikutnya.

Trying to make their lives better

In Cikananga Animal Rescue Centre everybody is worried about finding ways to make the life of the animals better as living in captivity is not the ideal situation for them. When Tara and I (Anna Zango) arrived at the animal rescue centre we decided that we wanted to contribute to this cause. Tara had the amazing idea of collecting some gum from trees in Cipaganti and to take it to Cikananga where the lorises had not eating gum for some months. We decided to make some paper rolls with gum inside and hang them in different places on the cages so the lorises had to move around to eat it.

Do you think they liked it? Well, they loved it!

They ate the gum of almost every single roll.

Infant loris learning to gauge gum in Cikananga

Infant loris learning to gauge gum in Cikananga

Loris playing with enrichment

Loris playing with enrichment

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We also had the idea of making some holes in plastic bottles and put the food there so the lorises had to make an effort to obtain their food. It was very successful and they were very excited about the bottles: instead of the 5-10 min that they normally spend eating, they had at least 30min of entertainment with the bottles! We are very happy that we could help these amazing animals and contribute to help enrich their lives.

 

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Anna Zango
volunteer Little Fireface Project

Reflections from Java: Part 1- Culture Shock

People often speak of culture shock when you go to visit, live or work in a new country. And accompanied come the warnings- don’t drink the water, don’t eat food from street stalls, watch your belongings very carefully… and so forth. Before coming to Java I assumed that my upbringing had made me immune to the shocks provided by a different culture, after all I’ve grown up in countries which few have ever visited such as Rwanda and Ivory Coast. But 9 months in Java has taught me otherwise.

Culture shock happens anywhere, any time and apparently to anyone.

One of the biggest shocks- Indonesian weddings:

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One of my favourite moments was in my second week. I had just unpacked my bags and started to settle in when my housemate said we were going to the salon for a makeover. Turns out we were modelling wedding dresses!

Firstly, they put on layers and layers of makeup- I felt like I was wearing a mask and when I thought they could not put on anything more, out came the fake eyelashes. I ended up with 4 pairs on each eye and one eye glued shut. After boiling in a white “western” style wedding dress we were asked to model Indonesian wedding dresses. Mine was red and from Nothern Sumatra with a beautiful and very extensive headdress, making me feel like a real princess.

In Indonesia, the bride gets married in any colour she wants and he groom has an outfit to match. I soon learned after attending a range of weddings that on the big day it is normal for the newlyweds to wear 2 or 3 different coloured outfits so that they have a range of different photos. And one is more beautiful than the next.

An Indonesian wedding is quite an experience! The couple sits on a stage and welcomes all the guests. You are then pushed towards the buffet and unless you hold on to your plate a little old lady (usually one of the parents) will continuously ask you if you have eaten and try and get you to eat even more! The problem: the food is always very spicy and my Dutch palate cannot handle it. So if you go to Indonesia make sure you remember how to say “I am full thank you.”

And then comes the dancing! There is always an additional stage with a band or traditional instrumental music. Dancing will only occur on the stage and everyone wants to see you dance. So when the little old lady is finished asking if you have eaten, she will come round another 10 times to ask you to go and dance… on the stage. But you soon learn to go with the flow and if you dance one song she stops coming by and has the biggest smile on her face. The wedding usually goes on for several hours with the bride and groom sitting on one stage and the guests dancing on the other.

Greetings from Java,

Denise

The Little Travellers

In every family there is someone that is a little different. The one who doesn’t quite fit in and likes to spend time doing their own thing and taking the road (or tree) less travelled. You know, the traveller of the family, the vagabond. Well, we have not one, but two loris family members just like that!

Several nights a week here at the Little Fireface Project field site we take GPS locations of our radio-collared lorises.  Most of our lorises have an area that they favour and we usually know which region we will locate them.

I say usually, because, just like most families, there is always one (or two)

As we continue monitoring lorises as part of our ‘Javan slow loris’ dispersal study, we find the odd loris doing odd things. Take Api, our ‘Fire Girl’, for example; she was happily foraging and sleeping in an area located at 1350 metres above sea level, until one day we could not track her signal very well at all. We went up and down the mountain for what felt like 100 kilometres (probably more like five) with the ‘pings’ of the radio tracking receiver becoming weak, then strong and then weak again. We could NOT find her anywhere, which is always a little bit of a worry to us, as we like to know the lorises are safe and well. The very next day, during the day, our tracker Dendi and a volunteer went out to see if they could find Api whilst she slept. After a steep climb through the agroforest, and the radio receiver signal getting stronger and stronger, they had success! There she was, sound asleep, on the top of the hill oblivious to the worry she had caused. Api had travelled so far up the hill that it was a surprise to all of us. The following week she had moved even further up to 1584m above sea level, covering a total distance of at least 2.6km to get from the football field to her new home.

Mo_2014_JAN_M Williams (1) A few weeks later, our handsome boy, Mo, decided he might like to try a vacation too!

So why did the lorises move so far up the hill? Was there too much food competition, were the single lorises down the hill just not ‘cutting it’ in the looks stakes or were our travellers being pushed out by other individuals?

Studying the dispersal of the Javan slow loris will hopefully shed some more light on why, how and when the lorises do disperse.

We will monitor Api and Mo closely to see if their relocation is a permanent one or whether they were just checking out a new area for future reference. We have also welcomed many new animals to our dispersal study;

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Kiara- the risky lady- found wandering on the ground of someones farm in the day!

 

 

 

 

 

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Maya- the quiet beauty- named by our friends at Shaldon Wildlife Trust

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JAVAN SLOW LORIS - Nycticebus javanicus 'WINGKI'

 

 

Cabe- the aggressive boy- possibly the son of Sibau, will he travel far? or is he a mommas boy?

 

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Dali- the little ladies man- often seen with Tereh and a very handsome little boy

 

 

 

Stay tuned for more vagabond adventures!

 

The Path to Freedom – A volunteer’s experience with rescued lorises

There are many jobs to be done at the Cikananga Wildlife Rescue Center, and all of them are rewarding. But for me, nothing was as rewarding as working with the slow lorises. It was love at first sight when I first saw one ten years ago, and my experience working with them was a dream come true.

I was lucky enough to feed them and clean their cages almost every day. I also helped them get weighed, helped Little Fireface Project’s postdoctoral researcher Grace Fuller film them eating insects as part of her venom study, helped build furniture for two outdoor habitats, had a delightful late night (or rather, midday) rendezvous with them and even saw three wild lorises!

Although the reason the slow lorises arrived at the Centre is sad and devastating, it was wonderful to meet and get to know so many lorises as individuals. And Cikananga is taking excellent care of them. My favorite was one who had a blind eye. I was calling him Captain Kukang, or the Captain, as he needed a tough name to make up for his eye, and, well, he looked like a pirate. He’s such a delightful little guy, curious but cautious, and so sweet.


Although I already knew these animals were beautiful, it was such an excellent experience to be able to work with them on a daily basis. I am already looking forward to helping with their release and setting all my new little loves free.

Nadia Muqaddam

Special thanks to Bradley The Tanner’s who have supplied LFP with gloves for handling these venomous yet adorable animals!

A world of creactivity

Making a special place

I love drawing and colouring, but I normally don’t have enough time to do it. So could it be more perfect if a task for the project involves working with colouring pencils?

Therefore, when Densie asked me about helping her with making a poster about nature for decorating a space for the children I immediately answered: of course! With the concept of nature-poster in mind, we decided that it would be a good idea drawing a huge tree, with long branches and deep roots, big enough to cover the entire wall. But we wanted the place to be dynamic and fun, so we came up with an amazing idea: drawing some animals separately from the poster and, by adding some Velcro to the back, the children have to place the animals according with the place they live.
So I drew some animals and Tara helped me colour them, here you can see some examples, I hope you like them!

Once the place is finished I will let you know the result. Be patient!

education blog photo Anna Zango

 

Drama Club:

The Little Fireface Project is not only concerned about conservation but also about helping the local community in many ways. In order to make it possible, the LFP team has implemented different programmes that involve education with children, and I am going to talk about the newest one. Sharon Forest had the amazing idea of doing a project with children in order to inspire and strengthen their creativity, and that is how the Drama Club was born!

The first session we decided to tell the children to make some instruments using their imagination. They made guitars, drums, cymbals, harps… by using just cardboard boxes and elastic bands! Quite impressive, isn’t it? After that they dressed up and had some fun performing different characters, trying their best to express sadness, happiness, annoyance among many different feelings. They did it very well and it was a lot of fun!

The first session was an absolutely success and I can’t wait to do the next one. Let’s see with what these amazing children surprise us this time!

Nature Club:

Nature Club is a small club for the children of Cipaganti here at Little Fireface Project’s Indonesian field site.  We are fortunate enough to have much to do with local people, especially the children.

Although Nature Club has been running for some time now, things have now been structured a little bit different, to ensure that every child can learn in the unique way that they learn best.  We all know that everybody learns differently and the children here in Cipaganti are no exception!  Some children are in awe when they learn English, others really do prefer the ‘hands on’ learning and others learn through play.  So the ‘new’ Nature Club is encompassing all of those ways of learning.

April was “FOREST” month and each lesson starts off with an English lesson; words associated with the forest.  The children love it and they seem to pick up the language really well (better than my Indonesian I must say).

Apart from English lessons, children are encouraged to answer questions which revolve around the forest near their village.  Learning about what animals live there and why the animals and their forest homes are important.  We did craft activities and forest walks to make sure our kinesthetic learners are covered, provided animal and tree photographs for our visual learners and lots of questions and answers to assist our audible learners; above everything else … we make it fun!

 

Activities so far include:

  1. How plants grow – Including a competition to see who can grow the biggest plant from some green pea seeds
  2. Tree Identification – A walk in the forest to see who can find the trees listed on a tree photo sheet
  3. Poster Making – Who lives where in the forest?
  4.  Learning to identify animals living in the forest in West Java.

With over 20 children attending each class, Nature Club is a valuable tool to teach children about the environment and the animals we share it with.

I have also learned that the children here in Cipaganti are extremely analytical.  They love problem solving and the activities that encompass this.

Nature Club is a wonderful platform for sharing and I have learned as much from these children as they have from me.

Next month … MAMMALS.

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Loris Predator Reaction

This week with Nanda Grow I have started an amazing new project that seeks to discover the reaction of lorises when a predator is near. In order carry it out Nanda has recorded the sounds of different predators, including owls, eagles and orang-utans, and we are going to compare the behaviour of lorises before and after playing these sounds. Sounds interesting, doesn’t it? Then let me explain how our first trial went! After an intense and successful capture night, we had some extra time and we opportunely found an uncollared loris. So Aconk, Nanda and I decided to carry out the first experiment. The loris was calmly foraging in a tree, but once we played the recording of an eagle call, he quickly went down the tree and moved to an area covered with lots branches: he was being more cryptic! As we couldn’t see him very well, we don’t know if there was any venom-response. Let’s see if the next time we are luckier! Don’t worry, I will keep you updated!